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'''IMPORTANT!!! Do not buy the following laptop brands:
'''IMPORTANT!!! Do not buy the following laptop brands:
*Anything from HP or Compaq
*Anything from HP or Compaq (see below)
*Lenovo G series
*Lenovo G series


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*Select desired laptop
*Select desired laptop


*Avoid laptops with A4, A6, E series by AMD, and Celeron, Atom, or Pentium from Intel. Those processors are budget processors.
*Avoid laptops with A4-12xx, A6-14xx, E series by AMD, and Celeron, Atom, or Pentium from Intel. Those processors are budget processors.


*Installing a fresh copy of the OS on a new laptop is generally a good idea, to remove manufacturer provided bloatware.  
*Installing a fresh copy of the OS on a new laptop is generally a good idea, to remove manufacturer provided bloatware.  
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'''Recommended Gaming Laptops'''
'''Recommended Gaming Laptops'''
;Lenovo Y510p
;Lenovo Y410p/Y510p
:Great performance per dollar
:+Great performance per dollar
:Poor build quality
:-Average-at-best build quality


;Gigabyte Aorus X7
;Gigabyte Aorus X7
:Great specs
:+Great specs
:Great build quality
:+Great build quality
:Thin
:+Thin
:Expensive
:-Expensive


;Various Clevos and Sagers
;Various Clevos and Sagers
:Great to amazing specs
:+Great to amazing specs
:Average build quality
:Average build quality
:Average to decent price
:Average to decent price
:Fairly nice 95% gamut displays
:+Fairly nice 95% gamut displays
:Bad support
:-Bad support
:Can be found under multiple brands (Pioneer Computers in AUS, System76)
:Can be found under multiple brands (Pioneer Computers in AUS, System76)
:highly upgradeable
:+highly upgradeable


;Asus G serie (currently G750JX or G750JH)
;Asus G serie (currently G750JX or G750JH)
:Great specs (i7-4700HQ, up to GTX 780M)
:+Great specs (i7-4700HQ, up to GTX 780M)
:Good build quality
:+Good build quality
:Good support
:+Good support
:Pretty expensive
:-Pretty expensive
:Best cooling system available for the moment
:+Best cooling system available for the moment
:Big and heavy
:-Big and heavy
:Not really serviceable
:-Not really serviceable


;MSI GT serie (currently GT60 or GT70)
;MSI GT serie (currently GT60 or GT70)
:Great specs (up to i7-4930MX, up to GTX 780M)
:+Great specs (up to i7-4930MX, up to GTX 780M)
:Poor build quality
:-Poor build quality
:Less expensive than other prebuilt like Asus or Gigabyte
:+Less expensive than other prebuilt like Asus or Gigabyte
:Best laptop audio (Dynaudio)
:+Best laptop audio (Dynaudio)
:Can sport a 3K screen or SSD raid sometimes
:+Can sport a 3K screen or SSD raid sometimes
:Bad cooling system (only one fan)
:-Bad cooling system (only one fan)
:Big and heavy
:-Big and heavy
:Highly upgradeable  
:+Highly upgradeable  


'''Other Gaming Laptops'''
'''Other Gaming Laptops'''
;Razer Blade (and Pro)
;Razer Blade (and Pro)
:Super expensive
:-Super expensive
:Super thin
:+Super thin
:Lacks many ports a normal gaming PC would have
:+Lacks many ports a normal gaming PC would have
:Razer ( good or bad )
:+-Razer ( good or bad )


=== ThinkPads ===
=== ThinkPads ===
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=== Used Business Laptops ===
=== Used Business Laptops ===
Get a computer that’s built to last, is fast enough for basic tasks like internet browsing and word processing for as little as $100. HP EliteBooks, Dell Latitude/Precisions and [[Thinkpad#Used|ThinkPads]] are the recommended Business laptops when buying used. It's important to note that these notebooks are not built for gaming. It's also recommended to install a GNU/Linux distro on older used machines. ThinkPads have good support for most distros. Note that older hardware is generally better supported by GANOO/Linux us drivers are maintained far longer than on Windows and other operating systems.
Get a computer that’s built to last, is fast enough for basic tasks like internet browsing and word processing for as little as $100. HP EliteBooks, Dell Latitude/Precisions and [[Thinkpad#Used|ThinkPads]] are the recommended Business laptops when buying used. It's important to note that these notebooks are not built for gaming. It's also recommended to install a GNU/Linux distro on older used machines. ThinkPads have good support for most distros. Note that older hardware is generally better supported by GNU/Linux us drivers are maintained far longer than on Windows and other operating systems.


[http://ktgee.net/guides Used Laptop price guides]
[http://ktgee.net/guides Used Laptop price guides]

Revision as of 20:55, 16 February 2014


Considerations

IMPORTANT!!! Do not buy the following laptop brands:

  • Anything from HP or Compaq (see below)
  • Lenovo G series

They are known to be badly designed and have overheating and performance problems. Other models (mostly business notebooks) from these companies are fine (except HP or Compaq).

When buying a notebook, pick only two

  • Low Price
  • Performance
  • Build quality

It's important to consider the build quality of the product purchased. If the notebook is going to be used for many years, paying extra for build quality is a plus. Hardware manufacturers DO sometimes design and create the hardware so that it doesn't last; see this page for more info.

You'll also want to consider these factors when getting a new machine:

  • Consumer experiences. Are there common problems that are reported by multiple people? Even doing a google search on the brand and model will give you useful information.
  • What do you want to use it for and how often will you use it? Sometimes it's better not to go overkill in price if you're just going to browse Facebook.
  • Life expectancy. Consumer feedback will give you an idea of this.
  • Location and number of air vent(s). Also consider if other parts, such as the screen, will obstruct/does obstruct the air flow.
  • Average operating temperature.
  • Average battery duration.
  • Casing. Does it conduct heat well? Is it at least reliably sturdy? Check out consumer feedback for this.
  • Weight.
  • Power adaptor output wattage. You can find this out by multiplying the voltage by the current (in amps). This is important because sometimes laptops can run on lower watt adaptors, but have reduced performance. You also might need to replace it one day.
  • Power adaptor sturdiness. Will the wires in it break easily? Is the adaptor long enough?
  • Power socket location. Is having the cable plugged in to the back or the side of the laptop better for where you will be using it?
  • Drivers. Consumer feedback will help with this.
  • Webcam, speaker and microphone quality.

New Laptops

US New Laptops

  • Go on Newegg.com, select budget price range and sort by Price.
  • Select desired laptop
  • Avoid laptops with A4-12xx, A6-14xx, E series by AMD, and Celeron, Atom, or Pentium from Intel. Those processors are budget processors.
  • Installing a fresh copy of the OS on a new laptop is generally a good idea, to remove manufacturer provided bloatware.

AUS New Laptops

Go to MSY or PCCaseGear for cheap laptops. Buying from most Retail stores (Harvey Norman, Myer, Dick Smith) aren't recommended because they're expensive as fuck, but they do offer you an opportunity to try out a laptop.

Gaming Laptops

If possible, think about building a gaming desktop instead, you will get much better performance (around twice as much) from a $900 gaming computer than you will from a $900 gaming notebook.

Do not get fooled by the mobile chip naming schemes (CPU & GPU): for example a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580m is an underclocked 560ti performing at below the level of a 560.

If you still need a mobile gaming machine, please continue.

Recommended Gaming Laptops

Lenovo Y410p/Y510p
+Great performance per dollar
-Average-at-best build quality
Gigabyte Aorus X7
+Great specs
+Great build quality
+Thin
-Expensive
Various Clevos and Sagers
+Great to amazing specs
Average build quality
Average to decent price
+Fairly nice 95% gamut displays
-Bad support
Can be found under multiple brands (Pioneer Computers in AUS, System76)
+highly upgradeable
Asus G serie (currently G750JX or G750JH)
+Great specs (i7-4700HQ, up to GTX 780M)
+Good build quality
+Good support
-Pretty expensive
+Best cooling system available for the moment
-Big and heavy
-Not really serviceable
MSI GT serie (currently GT60 or GT70)
+Great specs (up to i7-4930MX, up to GTX 780M)
-Poor build quality
+Less expensive than other prebuilt like Asus or Gigabyte
+Best laptop audio (Dynaudio)
+Can sport a 3K screen or SSD raid sometimes
-Bad cooling system (only one fan)
-Big and heavy
+Highly upgradeable

Other Gaming Laptops

Razer Blade (and Pro)
-Super expensive
+Super thin
+Lacks many ports a normal gaming PC would have
+-Razer ( good or bad )

ThinkPads

See ThinkPad#New

Chromebooks

Chromebooks are (mostly) cheap notebooks designed to run ChromeOS. ChromeOS is actually a modification of a GNU/Linux distribution, Gentoo. ChromeOS is an operating system that employs a Chrome web browser and links to various Google web applications in place of programs. Google does provide compatible applications for these, but most only work when connected to a Wi-Fi network. You can't run regular applications like Microsoft Office and you are limited to using Google Drive and a measly 16 gigabytes for file storage.


If you consider one, steer clear of the ARM ones. They won't be able to use most applications provided you decide to use a linux distro on a Chromebook, and don't have the power or battery life of the regular Haswell.

If you are a power user, many of these notebooks can be unlocked, and a custom operating system loaded onto them. Doing this isn't intended by Google, and isn't for the average user. Your best bet is a Acer C720 with 4 gigabytes of ram, as well as a custom Linux install.

Open Hardware (sorta)

Many Chromebook models are based on Coreboot, opening them up as a potential base for an ideal computing system for users who desire fully open source or free software-compatible systems. Other components may need to be replaced however, and thus research for individualized models is needed.

Recommended Model

Apple Notebooks

Apple makes multiple high end notebooks for consumers, the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro.

  • MacBooks are easy for beginner users, while having a powerful command line for power users.
  • OSX contains most of the customizability and power of GNU/Linux while having the ability to natively run applications like Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, Premiere Pro, etc.
  • Drawbacks of Apple notebooks are self-upgradability, and self-repair.
  • The GUI is not open source, however the kernel is. For power users this may make or break the purchasing decision.
  • MacBooks are best when purchased new/Apple refurbished, for they have the highest resale value of any other PC manufacturer on the market.
MacBook Pro (latest model)
Great battery life (13" up to 9 hours, 15" 8 hours)
Great build quality
Great screen (although glossy/reflective)
Good performance
Expensive
Li-Po Battery is glued down, which may cause problems at the end of the notebook's life.
MacBook Air (latest model)
Great battery life (13" up to 12 hours, 11" 9 hours)
Great build quality
Screen isn't as good as some higher end notebooks, but better than average
Enough performance for the average user
Cheap when compared to other comparable ultrabooks (Vaio Pro 13, Zenbook UX301, Acer Aspire S7)
Slightly Better repairability than MacBook Pro (removable battery)

Used Laptops

Used Business Laptops

Get a computer that’s built to last, is fast enough for basic tasks like internet browsing and word processing for as little as $100. HP EliteBooks, Dell Latitude/Precisions and ThinkPads are the recommended Business laptops when buying used. It's important to note that these notebooks are not built for gaming. It's also recommended to install a GNU/Linux distro on older used machines. ThinkPads have good support for most distros. Note that older hardware is generally better supported by GNU/Linux us drivers are maintained far longer than on Windows and other operating systems.

Used Laptop price guides

Used Other Laptops

It's generally not recommended to buy consumer laptops second-hand. Business laptops are purchased by companies and government, usually have low wear and tear, and are sold second-hand only after a short period of time for a low price. Businesses aren't concerned with making money on sold laptops, consumers are.